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remarks¡¡upon¡¡this¡¡subject¡¡uses¡¡the¡¡language¡¡which¡¡I¡¡will¡¡now¡¡read¡£

Speaking¡¡of¡¡me£»¡¡the¡¡Judge¡¡says£º



¡¨He¡¡goes¡¡on¡¡and¡¡insists¡¡that¡¡the¡¡Dred¡¡Scott¡¡decision¡¡would¡¡carry

slavery¡¡into¡¡the¡¡free¡¡States£»¡¡notwithstanding¡¡the¡¡decision¡¡itself

says¡¡the¡¡contrary¡£¡¨¡¡¡¡And¡¡he¡¡adds£º



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