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source of beauty�察�I leave all that�察�which is only confusing to me�察�and



simply and singly�察�and perhaps foolishly�察�hold and am assured in my



own mind that nothing makes a thing beautiful but the presence and



participation of beauty in whatever way or manner obtained�察�for as



to the manner I am uncertain�察�but I stoutly contend that by beauty all



beautiful things become beautiful。 That appears to me to be the only



safe answer that I can give�察�either to myself or to any other�察�and



to that I cling�察�in the persuasion that I shall never be overthrown��



and that I may safely answer to myself or any other that by beauty



beautiful things become beautiful。 Do you not agree to that��



  Yes�察�I agree。



  And that by greatness only great things become great and greater



greater�察�and by smallness the less becomes less。



  True。



  Then if a person remarks that A is taller by a head than B�察�and B



less by a head than A�察�you would refuse to admit this�察�and would



stoutly contend that what you mean is only that the greater is greater



by�察�and by reason of�察�greatness�察�and the less is less only by�察�or by



reason of�察�smallness�察�and thus you would avoid the danger of saying



that the greater is greater and the less by the measure of the head��



which is the same in both�察�and would also avoid the monstrous



absurdity of supposing that the greater man is greater by reason of



the head�察�which is small。 Would you not be afraid of that��



  Indeed�察�I should�察�said Cebes�察�laughing。



  In like manner you would be afraid to say that ten exceeded eight



by�察�and by reason of�察�two�察�but would say by�察�and by reason of�察�number��



or that two cubits exceed one cubit not by a half�察�but by



magnitude�拭�that is what you would say�察�for there is the same danger in



both cases。



  Very true�察�he said。



  Again�察�would you not be cautious of affirming that the addition of



one to one�察�or the division of one�察�is the cause of two�拭�And you would



loudly asseverate that you know of no way in which anything comes into



existence except by participation in its own proper essence�察�and



consequently�察�as far as you know�察�the only cause of two is the



participation in duality�察�that is the way to make two�察�and the



participation in one is the way to make one。 You would say�此�I will let



alone puzzles of division and addition´wiser heads than mine may



answer them�察�inexperienced as I am�察�and ready to start�察�as the proverb



says�察�at my own shadow�察�I cannot afford to give up the sure ground



of a principle。 And if anyone assails you there�察�you would not mind



him�察�or answer him until you had seen whether the consequences which



follow agree with one another or not�察�and when you are further



required to give an explanation of this principle�察�you would go on



to assume a higher principle�察�and the best of the higher ones�察�until



you found a resting´place�察�but you would not refuse the principle



and the consequences in your reasoning like the Eristics´at least if



you wanted to discover real existence。 Not that this confusion



signifies to them who never care or think about the matter at all�察�for



they have the wit to be well pleased with themselves�察�however great



may be the turmoil of their ideas。 But you�察�if you are a



philosopher�察�will�察�I believe�察�do as I say。



  What you say is most true�察�said Simmias and Cebes�察�both speaking



at once。



  Ech。 Yes�察�Phaedo�察�and I don't wonder at their assenting。 Anyone



who has the least sense will acknowledge the wonderful clear。 of



Socrates' reasoning。



  Phaed。 Certainly�察�Echecrates�察�and that was the feeling of the



whole company at the time。



  Ech。 Yes�察�and equally of ourselves�察�who were not of the company�察�and



are now listening to your recital。 But what followed��



  Phaedo。 After all this was admitted�察�and they had agreed about the



existence of ideas and the participation in them of the other things



which derive their names from them�察�Socrates�察�if I remember rightly��



said�此�



  This is your way of speaking�察�and yet when you say that Simmias is



greater than Socrates and less than Phaedo�察�do you not predicate of



Simmias both greatness and smallness��



  Yes�察�I do。



  But still you allow that Simmias does not really exceed Socrates�察�as



the words may seem to imply�察�because he is Simmias�察�but by reason of



the size which he has�察�just as Simmias does not exceed Socrates



because he is Simmias�察�any more than because Socrates is Socrates�察�but



because he has smallness when compared with the greatness of Simmias��



  True。



  And if Phaedo exceeds him in size�察�that is not because Phaedo is



Phaedo�察�but because Phaedo has greatness relatively to Simmias�察�who is



comparatively smaller��



  That is true。



  And therefore Simmias is said to be great�察�and is also said to be



small�察�because he is in a mean between them�察�exceeding the smallness



of the one by his greatness�察�and allowing the greatness of the other



to exceed his smallness。 He added�察�laughing�察�I am speaking like a



book�察�but I believe that what I am now saying is true。



  Simmias assented to this。



  The reason why I say this is that I want you to agree with me in



thinking�察�not only that absolute greatness will never be great and



also small�察�but that greatness in us or in the concrete will never



admit the small or admit of being exceeded�此�instead of this�察�one of



two things will happen´either the greater will fly or retire before



the opposite�察�which is the less�察�or at the advance of the less will



cease to exist�察�but will not�察�if allowing or admitting smallness�察�be



changed by that�察�even as I�察�having received and admitted smallness



when compared with Simmias�察�remain just as I was�察�and am the same



small person。 And as the idea of greatness cannot condescend ever to



be or become small�察�in like manner the smallness in us cannot be or



become great�察�nor can any other opposite which remains the same ever



be or become its own opposite�察�but either passes away or perishes in



the change。



  That�察�replied Cebes�察�is quite my notion。



  One of the company�察�though I do not exactly remember which of



them�察�on hearing this�察�said�此�By Heaven�察�is not this the direct



contrary of what was admitted before´that out of the greater came



the less and out of the less the greater�察�and that opposites are



simply generated from opposites�察�whereas now this seems to be



utterly denied。



  Socrates inclined his head to the speaker and listened。 I like



your courage�察�he said�察�in reminding us of this。 But you do not observe



that there is a difference in the two cases。 For then we were speaking



of opposites in the concrete�察�and now of the essential opposite which��



as is affirmed�察�neither in us nor in nature can ever be at variance



with itself�此�then�察�my friend�察�we were speaking of things in which



opposites are inherent and which are called after them�察�but now



about the opposites which are inherent in them and which give their



name to them�察�these essential opposites will never�察�as we maintain��



admit of generation into or out of one another。 At the same time��



turning to Cebes�察�he said�此�Were you at all disconcerted�察�Cebes�察�at our



friend's objection��



  That was not my feeling�察�said Cebes�察�and yet I cannot deny that I am



apt to be disconcerted。



  Then we are agreed after all�察�said Socrates�察�that the opposite



will never in any case be opposed to itself��



  To that we are quite agreed�察�he replied。



  Yet once more let me ask you to consider the question from another



point of view�察�and see whether you agree with me�此�There is a thing



which you term heat�察�and another thing which you term cold��



  Certainly。



  But are they the same as fire and snow��



  Most assuredly not。



  Heat is not the same as fire�察�nor is cold the same as snow��



  No。



  And yet you will surely admit that when snow�察�as before said�察�is



under the influence of heat�察�they will not remain snow and heat�察�but



at the advance of the heat the snow will either retire or perish��



  Very true�察�he replied。



  And the fire too at the advance of the cold will either retire or



perish�察�and when the fire is under the influence of the cold�察�they



will not remain�察�as before�察�fire and cold。



  That is true�察�he said。



  And in some cases the name of the idea is not confined to the



idea�察�but anything else which�察�not being the idea�察�exists only in



the form of the idea�察�may also lay claim to it。 I will try to make



this clearer by an example�此�The odd number is always called by the



name of odd��



  Very true。



  But is this the only thing which is called odd�拭�Are there not



other things which have their own name�察�and yet are called odd��



because�察�although not the same as oddness�察�they are never without



oddness�拭�that is what I mean to ask´whether numbers such as the number



three are not of the class of odd。 And there are many other



examples�此�would you not say�察�for example�察�that three may be called



by its proper name�察�and also be called odd�察�which is not the same with



three�拭�and this may be said not only of three but also of five�察�and



every alternate number´each of them without being oddness is odd��



and in the same way two and four�察�and the whole series of alternate



numbers�察�has every number even�察�without being evenness。 Do you admit



that��



  Yes�察�he said�察�how can I deny that��



  Then now mark the point at which I am aiming�此�not only do



essential opposites exclude one another�察�but also concrete things��



which�察�although not in themselves opposed�察�contain opposites�察�these�察�I



say�察�also reject the idea which is opposed to that which is



contained in them�察�and at the advance of that they either perish or



withdraw。 There is the number three for example�察�will not that



endure annihilation or anything sooner than be converted into an



even number�察�remaining three��



  Very true�察�said Cebes。



  And yet�察�he said�察�the number two is certainly not opposed to the



number three��



  It is not。



  Then not only do opposite ideas repel the advance of one another��



but also there are other things which repel the approach of opposites。



  That is quite true�察�he said。



  Suppose�察�he said�察�that we endeavor�察�if possible�察�to determine what



these are。



  By all means。



  Are they not�察�Cebes�察�such as compel the things of which they have



possession�察�not only to take their own form�察�but also the form of some



opposite��



  What do you mean��



  I mean�察�as I was just now saying�察�and have no need to repeat to you��



that those things which are possessed by the number three must not



only be three in number�察�but must also be odd。



  Quite true。



  And on this oddness�察�of which the number three has the impress��



the opposite idea will never intrude��



  No。



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