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whole company and of Euthydemus to remark that Critias appeared to be 

suffering from a swinish affection�察�or else why this desire to rub himself 

against Euthydemus like a herd of piglings scraping against stones。 

     The hatred of Critias to Socrates doubtless dates from this incident。 He 

treasured it up against him�察�and afterwards�察�when he was one of the Thirty 

and associated with Charicles as their official lawgiver�撮�17�А�he framed the 

law   against   teaching   the   art   of   words��18�А  �merely  from  a   desire   to   vilify 

Socrates。 He was at a loss to know how else to lay hold of him except by 

levelling against him the vulgar charge��19�А�against philosophers�察�by which 

he hoped to prejudice him with the public。 It was a charge quite unfounded 

as regards Socrates�察�if I may judge from anything I ever heard fall from his 

lips myself or have learnt about him from others。 But the animus of Critias 

was     clear。  At   the   time   when     the  Thirty    were    putting   citizens�察   �highly 

respectable   citizens�察  �to   death   wholesale�察  �and   when   they   were   egging   on 

one   man   after   another   to   the   commission   of   crime�察  �Socrates   let   fall   an 

observation�此 �It would be sufficiently extraordinary if the keeper of a herd 

of   cattle��20�А  �who   was   continually   thinning   and   impoverishing   his   cattle 

did not admit himself to be a sorry sort of herdsman�察�but that a ruler of the 

state who was continually thinning and impoverishing the citizens should 



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neither be ashamed nor admit himself to be a sorry sort of ruler was more 

extraordinary        still。;  The    remark     being    reported     to   the   government�察�

Socrates was summoned by Critias and Charicles�察�who proceeded to point 

out the law and forbade him to converse with the young。 ;Was it open to 

him�察─  �Socrates   inquired   of   the   speaker�察   �in   case   he   failed   to   understand 

their commands in any point�察�to ask for an explanation�拭─�

     ��17�А    �Lit。   ;Nomothetes。;        See    ;Hell。;    II。  iii。  2�察 �Dem。      706。    For 

Charicles see Lys。 ;c。 Eratosth。; S。 56�察�Aristot。 ;Pol。; v。 6。 6。 

     ��18�А�See Diog。 Laert。 II。 v。 �─�Socr。;�� 

     ��19�А  �i。e。   ��to  ton   etto  logon    kreitto   poiein���察    �of   making     the  worse 

appear the better cause。; Cf。 Arist。 ;Clouds。; 

     ��20�А�See Dio Chrys。 ;Or。; 43。 

     ;Certainly�察─�the two assented。 

     Then      Socrates�此    �I  am    prepared     to   obey    the   laws�察   �but   to   avoid 

transgression of the law through ignorance I need instruction�此�is it on the 

supposition   that   the   art   of   words   tends   to   correctness   of   statement   or   to 

incorrectness that you bid us abstain from it�拭�for if the former�察�it is clear 

we must abstain from speeking correctly�察�but if the latter�察�our endeavour 

should be to amend our speech。 

     To   which   Charicles�察  �in   a   fit   of   temper�察  �retorted�此  �In   consideration   of 

your   ignorance�撮�21�А  �Socrates�察  �we   will   frame   the   prohibition   in   language 

better suited to your intelligence�此�we forbid you to hold any conversation 

whatsoever with the young。 

     ��21�А�See Aristot。 ;de Soph。 El。; 183 b7。 

     Then   Socrates�此�To   avoid   all   ambiguity  then�察�or   the possibility  of   my 

doing anything else than what you are pleased to command�察�may I ask you 

to define up to what age a human being is to be considered young�拭�

     For   just   so   long   a   time   ��Charicles   answered��   as   he   is   debarred   from 

sitting   as   a   member   of   the   Council�撮�22�А  �as   not   having   attained   to   the 

maturity of wisdom�察�accordingly you will not hold converse with any one 

under the age of thirty。 

     ��22�А�The Boule or Senate。 See W。 L。 Newman�察 �Pol。 Aristot。; i。 326。 

     Soc。 In making a purchase even�察�I am not to ask�察�what is the price of 



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this�拭�if the vendor is under the age of thirty�拭�

     Cha。 Tut�察�things of that sort�此�but you know�察�Socrates�察�that you have a 

way   of   asking   questions�察  �when   all   the   while   you   know   how   the   matter 

stands。 Let us have no questions of that sort。 

     Soc。   Nor   answers   either�察  �I   suppose�察  �if   the   inquiry   concerns   what   I 

know�察�as�察�for instance�察�where does Charicles live�拭�or where is Critias to be 

found�拭�

     Oh yes�察�of course�察�things of that kind ��replied Charicles���察�while Critias 

added�此    �But   at   the  same    time    you   had   better   have    done    with   your 

shoemakers�察�carpenters�察�and coppersmiths。��23�А�These must be pretty well 

trodden out at heel by this time�察�considering the circulation you have given 

them。 

     ��23�А�Cf。 Plat。 ;Gorg。; 491 A�察 �Symp。; 221 E�察�Dio Chrys。 ;Or。; 55�察�560 

D�察�564 A。 

     Soc。 And am I to hold away from their attendant topics alsothe just�察�

the holy�察�and the like�拭�

     Most assuredly ��answered Charicles���察�and from cowherds in particular�察�

or else see that you do not lessen the number of the herd yourself。 

     Thus the secret was out。 The remark of Socrates about the cattle had 

come to their ears�察�and they could not forgive the author of it。 

     Perhaps enough has been said to explain the kind of intimacy which 

had    subsisted    between     Critias  and   Socrates�察   �and   their  relation   to  one 

another。    But   I  will  venture    to  maintain    that  where    the   teacher   is  not 

pleasing to the pupil there is no education。 Now it cannot be said of Critias 

and Alcibiades that they associated with Socrates because they found him 

pleasing to them。 And this is true of the whole period。 From the first their 

eyes were fixed on the headship of the state as their final goal。 During the 

time of their imtimacy with Socrates there were no disputants whom they 

were more eager to encounter than professed politicians。 

     Thus the story is told of Alcibiadeshow before the age of twenty he 

engaged his own guardian�察�Pericles�察�at that time prime minister of the state�察�

in a discussion concerning laws。 

     Alc。 Please�察�Pericles�察�can you teach me what a law is�拭�



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     Per。 To be sure I can。 

     Alc。  I   should   be   so   much   obliged if   you   would   do   so。   One so   often 

hears the epithet ;law´abiding; applied in a complimentary sense�察�yet�察�it 

strikes   me�察  �one   hardly   deserves   the   compliment�察  �if   one   does   not   know 

what a law is。 

     Per。 Fortunately there is a ready answer to your difficulty。 You wish to 

know what a law is�拭�Well�察�those are laws which the majority�察�being met 

together in conclave�察 �approve and enact   as to what   it is right to do�察 �and 

what it is right to abstain from doing。 

     Alc。 Enact on the hypothesis that it is right to do what is good�拭�or to 

do what is bad�拭�

     Per。 What is good�察�to be sure�察�young sir�察�not what is bad。 

     Alc。 Supposing it is not the majority�察�but�察�as in the case of an oligarchy�察�

the minority�察�who meet and enact the rules of conduct�察�what are these�拭�

     Per。 Whatever the ruling power of the state after deliberation enacts as 

our duty to do�察�goes by the name of laws。 

     Alc。 Then if a tyrant�察�holding the chief power in the state�察�enacts rules 

of conduct for the citizens�察�are these enactments law�拭�

     Per。 Yes�察�anything which a tyrant as head of the state enacts�察�also goes 

by the name of law。 

     Alc。 But�察�Pericles�察�violence and lawlessnesshow do we define them�拭�

Is it not when a stronger man forces a weaker to do what seems right to 

himnot by persuasion but by compulsion�拭�

     Per。 I should say so。 

     Alc。 It would seem to follow that if a tyrant�察�without persuading the 

citizens�察    �drives   them     by   enactment      to   do    certain   thingsthat     is 

lawlessness�拭�

     Per。 You are right�察�and I retract the statement that measures passed by a 

tyrant without persuasion of the citizens are law。 

     Alc。 And what of measures passed by a minority�察�not by persuasion of 

the majority�察�but in the exercise of its power only�拭�Are we�察�or are we not�察�

to apply the term violence to these�拭�

     Per。 I think that anything which any one forces another to do without 



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persuasion�察�whether by enactment or not�察�is violence rather than law。 

     Alc。 It would seem that everything which the majority�察�in the exercise 

of its power over the possessors of wealth�察�and without persuading them�察�

chooses to enact�察�is of the nature of violence rather than of law�拭�

     To   be   sure   ��answered   Pericles���察  �adding�此�At   your   age   we   were   clever 

hands at such quibbles ourselves。 It was just such subtleties which we used 

to practise our wits upon�察�as you do now�察�if I mistake not。 

     To   which Alcibiades   replied�此�Ah�察  �Pericles�察  �I   do   wish   we   could   have 

met in those days when you were at your cleverest in such matters。 

     Well�察�then�察�as soon as the desired superiority over the politicians of the 

day   seemed   to   be   attained�察  �Critias   and Alcibiades   turned   their   backs   on 

Socrates。      They     found    his   society    unattractive�察    �not   to   speak    of   the 

annoyance        of    being    cross´questioned        on    their    own     shortcomings。 

Forthwith they devoted themselves to those affairs of state but for which 

they would never have come near him at all。 

     No�察�if one would seek to see true companions of Socrates�察�one must 

look to Crito�撮�24�А�and Chaerephon�察�and Chaerecrates�察�to Hermogenes�察�to 

Simmias and Cebes�察�to Phaedondes and others�察�who clung to him not to 

excel in the rhetoric of the Assembly or the law´courts�察�but with the nobler 

ambition   of   attaining   to   such   beauty   and   goodliness   of   soul   as   would 

enable them to discharge the various duties of life to house and family�察�to 

relatives and friends�察�to fellow´citizens�察�and to the state at large。 Of these 

true   followers   not   one   in   youth   or   old   age   was   ever   guilty�察  �or   thought 

guilty�察�of committing any evil deed。 

     ��24�А  �For   these   true   followers�察  �familiar   to   us   in   the   pages   of   Plato�察�

�─�Crito�察─ �Apol。�察─ �Phaedo�察─�etc�� see Cobet�察 �Pros。 Xen。; 

     ;But   for   all   that�察─  �the   accuser   insists�察   �Socrates   taught   sons   to   pour 

contumely upon their fathers��25�А�by persuading his young friends that he 

could   make   them   wiser   than   their   si

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