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themselves   could   not   otherwise   become   famous�察  �whereas�察  �among   those 

who   aspire   to   become   eminent   politically   as   orators   and   statesmen�撮�13�А�

there are some who cannot see why they should not be able to do all that 

politics demand�察�at a moment's notice�察�by inspiration as it were�察�without 

any preliminary pains or preparations whatever�拭�And yet it would appear 

that   the   latter   concerns   must   be   more   difficult   of   achievement   than   the 

former�察�in proportion as there are more competitors in the field but fewer 

who reach the   goal of their   ambition�察�which   is  as much   as   to say  that   a 

more   sustained   effort   of   attention   is   needed   on   the   part   of   those   who 

embark upon the sea of politics than is elsewhere called for。 

     ��13�А�Or�察�more lit。 ;powerful in speech and action within the sphere of 

politics。; 

     Such were the topics on which Socrates was wont in the early days of 

their   association   to   dilate   in   the   hearing   of   Euthydemus�察  �but   when   the 

philosopher perceived that the youth not only could tolerate the turns of 

the    discussion     more    readily   but   was    now    become     a  somewhat       eager 



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listener�察  �he   went   to   the  saddler's   shop   alone�撮�14�А  �and   when   Euthydemus 

was seated by his side the following conversation took place。 

     ��14�А  �The   question   arises�此  �how   far   is   the   conversation   historical   or 

imaginary�拭�

     Soc。 Pray  tell me�察  �Euthydemus�察�is   it really  true what   people tell   me�察�

that you have made a large collection of the writings of ;the wise�察─�as they 

are called�殖�15�А�

     ��15�А  �Or�察   �have   collected   several   works   of   our   classical   authors   and 

philosophers。; 

     Euthydemus   answered�此  �Quite         true�察  �Socrates�察  �and   I   mean  to   go  on 

collecting until I possess all the books I can possibly lay hold of。 

     Soc。 By Hera� �I admire you for wishing to possess treasures of wisdom 

rather than of gold and silver�察�which shows that you do not believe gold 

and silver to be the means of making men better�察�but that the thoughts��16�А�

of the wise alone enrich with virtue their possessions。 

     ��16�А�Lit。 ;gnomes�察─�maxims�察�sententiae。 Cf。 Aristot。 ;Rhet。; ii。 21。 

     And Euthydemus was glad when he heard that saying�察�for�察�thought he 

to himself�察 �In the eyes of Socrates I am on the high road to the acquisition 

of wisdom。; But the latter�察�perceiving him to be pleased with the praise�察�

continued。 

     Soc。 And what is it in which you desire to excel�察�Euthydemus�察�that you 

collect books�拭�

     And when Euthydemus was silent�察�considering what answer he should 

make�察�Socrates added�此�Possibly you want to be a great doctor�拭�Why�察�the 

prescriptions��17�А�of the Pharmacopoeia would form a pretty large library 

by themselves。 

     ��17�А。�suggrammata���察 �medical treatises。; See Aristot。 ;Eth。; x。 9�察�21。 

     No�察�indeed�察�not I� 。�answered Euthydemus��。 

     Soc。 Then do you wish to be an architect�拭�That too implies a man of 

well´stored wit and judgment。��18�А�

     ��18�А   �Or�察  �To   be   that  implies   a  considerable     store   of  well´packed 

wisdom。; 

     I have no such ambition ��he replied��。 



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     Soc。 Well�察�do you wish to be a mathematician�察�like Theodorus�殖�19�А�

     ��19�А  �Of   Cyrene   ��cf。   Plat。   ;Theaet。;��   taught   Plato。   Diog。   Laert。   ii。   8�察�

19。 

     Euth。 No�察�nor yet a mathematician。 

     Soc。   Then   do   you   wish   to   be   an   astronomer�殖�20�А  �or   ��as   the   youth 

signified dissent�� possibly a rhapsodist�殖�21�А。�he asked���察�for I am told you 

have the entire works of Homer in your possession。��22�А�

     ��20�А�Cf。 below�察�IV。 vii。 4。 

     ��21�А�See ;Symp。; iii。 6�察�Plat。 ;Ion。; 

     ��22�А�See Jowett�察 �Plato�察─�i。 229�察�Grote�察 �Plato�察─�i。 455。 

     Nay�察�God forbid� �not I� 。�ejaculated the youth��。 Rhapsodists have a very 

exact    acquaintance      with   epic   poetry�察  �I  know�察   �of  course�察  �but   they   are 

empty´pated creatures enough themselves。��23�А�

     ��23�А  �Or�察   �are   simply   perfect   in   the   art   of   reciting   epic   poetry�察  �but 

are apt to be the veriest simpletons themselves。; 

     At last Socrates said�此�Can it be�察�Euthydemus�察�that you are an aspirant 

to    that    excellence      through      which     men     become       statesmen      and 

administrators fit to rule and apt to benefit��24�А�the rest of the world and 

themselves�拭�

     ��24�А   �Or�察   �statesmen�察  �and   economists�察  �and   rules�察  �and   benefactors   of 

the rest of the world and themselves。; 

     Yes ��replied he���察�that is the excellence I desirebeyond measure。 

     Upon my word ��said Socrates���察�then you have indeed selected as the 

object of your ambition the noblest of virtues and the greatest of the arts�察�

for this is the property of kings�察�and is entitled ;royal;�察�but ��he continued�� 

have    you    considered     whether    it  is  possible   to  excel    in  these   matters 

without being just and upright�殖�25�А�

     ��25�А   �Just�察 。�dikaios��     =  upright�察   �righteous。    Justice�察  。�dikaiosune��      = 

social     uprightness     =   righteousness�察     �N。T。    To   quote     a  friend�此    �The 

Greek ��dikaios�� combines the active dealing out of justice with                          the 

self´reflective   idea   of   preserving   justice   in   our   conduct�察         �which   is 

what we mean by 'upright。'; 

     Euth。 Certainly I have�察�and I say that without justice and uprightness it 



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is impossible to be a good citizen。 

     No doubt ��replied Socrates�� you have accomplished that initial step�拭�

     Euth。 Well�察�Socrates�察�I think I could hold my own against all comers as 

an upright man。 

     And     have   upright    men    ��continued     Socrates��    their   distinctive   and 

appropriate works like those of carpenters or shoe´makers�拭�

     Euth。 To be sure they have。 

     Soc。 And just as the carpenter is able to exhibit his works and products�察�

the righteous man should be able to expound and set forth his�察�should he 

not�拭�

     I see ��replied Euthydemus�� you are afraid I cannot expound the works 

of   righteousness�      �Why�察   �bless  me�    �of  course   I  can�察  �and   the  works    of 

unrighteousness   into   the   bargain�察  �since   there   are   not   a   few   of   that   sort 

within reach of eye and ear every day。 

     Shall we then ��proceeded Socrates�� write the letter R on this side�撮�26�А�

and on that side the letter W�察�and then anything that appears to us to be the 

product   of   righteousness   we   will   place   to   the   R   account�察  �and   anything 

which     appears    to  be   the  product    of  wrong´doing       and   iniquity   to  the 

account of W�拭�

     ��26�А�The   letter   R   ��to   stand   for   Right�察  �Righteous�察  �Upright�察  �Just��。  The 

letter W ��to stand for Wrong�察�Unrighteous�察�Unjust��。 

     By all means do so ��he answered���察�if you think that it assists matters。 

     Accordingly       Socrates    drew    the  letters�察 �as   he  had    suggested�察   �and 

continued。 

     Soc。 Lying exists among men�察�does it not�拭�

     Euth。 Certainly。 

     To which side of the account then shall we place it�拭。�he asked��。 

     Euth。 Clearly on the side of wrong and injustice。 

     Soc。 Deceit too is not uncommon�拭�

     Euth。 By no means。 

     Soc。 To which side shall we place deceit�拭�

     Euth。 Deceit clearly on the side of wrong。 

     Soc。 Well�察�and chicanery��27�А�or mischief of any sort�拭�



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     ��27�А�Reading ��to kakourgein�� ��= furari�察�Sturz���察�al。 ��kleptein���察�Stob。 

     Euth。 That too。 

     Soc。 And the enslavement of free´born men�殖�28�А�

     ��28�А�Or�察 �the kidnapping of men into slavery。; ��to andrapodizesthai�� = 

the reduction of a free´born man to a state of slavery。 Slavery                       itself 

�┌�douleia����      being   regarded     as  the  normal    condition     of  a        certain 

portion of the human race and not in itself immoral。 

     Euth。 That too。 

     Soc。 And   we   cannot   allow   any   of   these   to   lie   on   the   R   side   of   the 

account�察�to the side of right and justice�察�can we�察�Euthydemus�拭�

     It would be monstrous ��he replied��。 

     Soc。  Very   good。   But   supposing   a   man   to   be   elected   general�察  �and   he 

succeeds in enslaving an unjust�察�wicked�察�and hostile state�察�are we to say 

that he is doing wrong�拭�

     Euth。 By no means。 

     Soc。 Shall we not admit that he is doing what is right�拭�

     Euth。 Certainly。 

     Soc。 Again�察�suppose he deceives the foe while at war with them�拭�

     Euth。 That would be all fair and right also。 

     Soc。 Or steals and pillages their property�拭�would he not be doing what 

is right�拭�

     Euth。   Certainly�察    �when    you   began    I  thought   you   were    limiting   the 

question to the case of friends。 

     Soc。 So then everything which we set down on the side of Wrong will 

now have to be placed to the credit of Right�拭�

     Euth。 Apparently。 

     Soc。 Very  well   then�察�let us so   place them�察  �and   please�察  �let us   make   a 

new definitionthat while it is right to do such things to a foe�察�it is wrong 

to do them to a friend�察�but in dealing with the latter it behoves us to be as 

straightforward as possible。��29�А�

     ��29�А�Or�察 �an absolutely straightforward course is necessary。; 

     I quite assent ��replied Euthydemus��。 

     So far so good ��remarked Socrates���察�but if a general�察�seeing his troops 



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demoralised�察�were to invent a tale to the effect that reinforcements were 

coming�察�and by means of this false statement should revive the courage of 

his men�察�to which of the two accounts shall we place that act of fraud�殖�30�А�

     ��30�А�Cf。 ;Hell。; IV。 iii。 10�察 �Cyrop。; I。 vi。 31。 

     On the side of right�察�to my notion ��he replied��。 

     Soc。   Or   again�察  �if   a   man   chanced   to   have   a   son   ill   and   in   need   of 

medicine�察�which the child refused to take�察�and supposing the father by an 

act of deceit to administer it under the guise of something nice to eat�察�and 

by service of that lie to restore the boy to health�察�to which account shall we 

set down this fraud�拭�

     Euth。 In my judgment it too should be pl

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