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that that evil genius has as last made up its mind to forsake

him。



And I may add that another extraordinary feature of the Judge's

conduct in this canvassmade more extraordinary by this

incidentis�察�that he is in the habit�察�in almost all the speeches

he makes�察�of charging falsehood upon his adversaries�察�myself and

others。  I now ask whether he is able to find in anything that

Judge Trumbull�察�for instance�察�has said�察�or in anything that I

have said�察�a justification at all compared with what we have�察�in

this instance�察�for that sort of vulgarity。



I have been in the habit of charging as a matter of belief on my

part that�察�in the introduction of the Nebraska Bill into

Congress�察�there was a conspiracy to make slavery perpetual and

national。  I have arranged from time to time the evidence which

establishes and proves the truth of this charge。  I recurred to

this charge at Ottawa。  I shall not now have time to dwell upon

it at very great length�察�but inasmuch as Judge Douglas�察�in his

reply of half an hour�察�made some points upon me in relation to

it�察�I propose noticing a few of them。



The Judge insists that�察�in the first speech I made�察�in which I

very distinctly made that charge�察�he thought for a good while I

was in fun�  �that I was playful�察�that I was not sincere about it��

and that he only grew angry and somewhat excited when he found

that I insisted upon it as a matter of earnestness。  He says he

characterized it as a falsehood so far as I implicated his moral

character in that transaction。  Well�察�I did not know�察�till he

presented that view�察�that I had implicated his moral character。

He is very much in the habit�察�when he argues me up into a

position I never thought of occupying�察�of very cosily saying he

has no doubt Lincoln is ;conscientious; in saying so。  He should

remember that I did not know but what he was ALTOGETHER

;CONSCIENTIOUS; in that matter。  I can conceive it possible for

men to conspire to do a good thing�察�and I really find nothing in

Judge Douglas's course of arguments that is contrary to or

inconsistent with his belief of a conspiracy to nationalize and

spread slavery as being a good and blessed thing�察�and so I hope

he will understand that I do not at all question but that in all

this matter he is entirely ;conscientious。;



But to draw your attention to one of the points I made in this

case�察�beginning at the beginning�此 �When the Nebraska Bill was

introduced�察�or a short time afterward�察�by an amendment�察�I

believe�察�it was provided that it must be considered ;the true

intent and meaning of this Act not to legislate slavery into any

State or Territory�察�or to exclude it therefrom�察�but to leave the

people thereof perfectly free to form and regulate their own

domestic institutions in their own way�察�subject only to the

Constitution of the United States。;  I have called his attention

to the fact that when he and some others began arguing that they

were giving an increased degree of liberty to the people in the

Territories over and above what they formerly had on the question

of slavery�察�a question was raised whether the law was enacted to

give such unconditional liberty to the people�察�and to test the

sincerity of this mode of argument�察�Mr。 Chase�察�of Ohio��

introduced an amendment�察�in which he made the lawif the

amendment were adoptedexpressly declare that the people of the

Territory should have the power to exclude slavery if they saw

fit。  I have asked attention also to the fact that Judge Douglas

and those who acted with him voted that amendment down��

notwithstanding it expressed exactly the thing they said was the

true intent and meaning of the law。  I have called attention to

the fact that in subsequent times a decision of the Supreme Court

has been made�察�in which it has been declared that a Territorial

Legislature has no constitutional right to exclude slavery。  And

I have argued and said that for men who did�察�intend that the

people of the Territory should have the right to exclude slavery

absolutely and unconditionally�察�the voting down of Chase's

amendment is wholly inexplicable。  It is a puzzle�察�a riddle。  But

I have said�察�that with men who did look forward to such a

decision�察�or who had it in contemplation that such a decision of

the Supreme Court would or might be made�察�the voting down of that

amendment would be perfectly rational and intelligible。  It would

keep Congress from coming in collision with the decision when it

was made。  Anybody can conceive that if there was an intention or

expectation that such a decision was to follow�察�it would not be a

very desirable party attitude to get into for the Supreme Court

all or nearly all its members belonging to the same partyto

decide one way�察�when the party in Congress had decided the other

way。  Hence it would be very rational for men expecting such a

decision to keep the niche in that law clear for it。  After

pointing this out�察�I tell Judge Douglas that it looks to me as

though here was the reason why Chase's amendment was voted down。

I tell him that�察�as he did it�察�and knows why he did it�察�if it was

done for a reason different from this�察�he knows what that reason

was and can tell us what it was。  I tell him�察�also�察�it will be

vastly more satisfactory to the country for him to give some

other plausible�察�intelligible reason why it was voted down than

to stand upon his dignity and call people liars。  Well�察�on

Saturday he did make his answer�察�and what do you think it was��

He says if I had only taken upon myself to tell the whole truth

about that amendment of Chase's�察�no explanation would have been

necessary on his part or words to that effect。  Now�察�I say here

that I am quite unconscious of having suppressed anything

material to the case�察�and I am very frank to admit if there is

any sound reason other than that which appeared to me material��

it is quite fair for him to present it。  What reason does he

propose�拭 �That when Chase came forward with his amendment

expressly authorizing the people to exclude slavery from the

limits of every Territory�察�General Cass proposed to Chase�察�if he

��Chase�� would add to his amendment that the people should have

the power to introduce or exclude�察�they would let it go。  This is

substantially all of his reply。  And because Chase would not do

that�察�they voted his amendment down。  Well�察�it turns out�察�I

believe�察�upon examination�察�that General Cass took some part in

the little running debate upon that amendment�察�and then ran away

and did not vote on it at all。  Is not that the fact�拭 �So

confident�察�as I think�察�was General Cass that there was a snake

somewhere about�察�he chose to run away from the whole thing。  This

is an inference I draw from the fact that�察�though he took part in

the debate�察�his name does not appear in the ayes and noes。  But

does Judge Douglas's reply amount to a satisfactory answer��



��Cries of ;Yes�察 �Yes�察─�and ;No�察─ �No。;��



There is some little difference of opinion here。  But I ask

attention to a few more views bearing on the question of whether

it amounts to a satisfactory answer。  The men who were determined

that that amendment should not get into the bill�察�and spoil the

place where the Dred Scott decision was to come in�察�sought an

excuse to get rid of it somewhere。  One of these waysone of

these excuseswas to ask Chase to add to his proposed amendment

a provision that the people might introduce slavery if they

wanted to。  They very well knew Chase would do no such thing��

that Mr。 Chase was one of the men differing from them on the

broad principle of his insisting that freedom was better than

slavery��a man who would not consent to enact a law�察�penned with

his own hand�察�by which he was made to recognize slavery on the

one hand�察�and liberty on the other�察�as precisely equal�察�and when

they insisted on his doing this�察�they very well knew they

insisted on that which he would not for a moment think of doing��

and that they were only bluffing him。  I believe ��I have not��

since he made his answer�察�had a chance to examine the journals or

Congressional Globe and therefore speak from memory��I believe

the state of the bill at that time�察�according to parliamentary

rules�察�was such that no member could propose an additional

amendment to Chase's amendment。  I rather think this is the

truth��the Judge shakes his head。  Very well。  I would like to

know�察�then�察�if they wanted Chase's amendment fixed over�察�why

somebody else could not have offered to do it�拭 �If they wanted it

amended�察�why did they not offer the amendment�拭 �Why did they not

put it in themselves�拭  �But to put it on the other ground��

suppose that there was such an amendment offered�察�and Chase's was

an amendment to an amendment�察�until one is disposed of by

parliamentary law�察�you cannot pile another on。  Then all these

gentlemen had to do was to vote Chase's on�察�and then�察�in the

amended form in which the whole stood�察�add their own amendment to

it�察�if they wanted to put it in that shape。  This was all they

were obliged to do�察�and the ayes and noes show that there were

thirty´six who voted it down�察�against ten who voted in favor of

it。  The thirty´six held entire sway and control。  They could in

some form or other have put that bill in the exact shape they

wanted。  If there was a rule preventing their amending it at the

time�察�they could pass that�察�and then�察�Chase's amendment being

merged�察�put it in the shape they wanted。  They did not choose to

do so�察�but they went into a quibble with Chase to get him to add

what they knew he would not add�察�and because he would not�察�they

stand upon the flimsy pretext for voting down what they argued

was the meaning and intent of their own bill。  They left room

thereby for this Dred Scott decision�察�which goes very far to make

slavery national throughout the United States。



I pass one or two points I have�察�because my time will very soon

expire�察�but I must be allowed to say that Judge Douglas recurs

again�察�as he did upon one or two other occasions�察�to the enormity

of Lincoln�察�an insignificant individual like Lincoln��upon his

ipse dixit charging a conspiracy upon a large number of members

of Congress�察�the Supreme Court�察�and two Presidents�察�to

nationalize slavery。  I want to say that�察�in the first place�察�I

have made no charge of this sort upon my ipse dixit。  I have only

arrayed the evidence tending to prove it�察�and presented it to the

understanding of others�察�saying what I think it proves�察�but

giving you the means of judging whether it proves it or not。

This is precisely what I have done。  I have not placed it upon my

ipse dixit at all。  On this occasion�察�I wish to recall his

attention to a piece of evidence which I brought forward at

Ottawa on Saturday�察�showing that he had made substantially the

same charge against substantially the same persons�察�excluding his

dear self from the category。  I ask him to give some attention to

the evidence which I brough

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