charmides-第13章

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by　the　argument）；　because　we　wanted　to　show　that　the　wise　man　had　knowledge



of　what　he　knew　and　did　not　know；　also　we　nobly　disregarded；　and　never　even



considered；　the　impossibility　of　a　man　knowing　in　a　sort　of　way　that　which



he　does　not　know　at　all；　for　our　assumption　was；　that　he　knows　that　which



he　does　not　know；　than　which　nothing；　as　I　think；　can　be　more　irrational。　



And　yet；　after　finding　us　so　easy　and　good…natured；　the　enquiry　is　still



unable　to　discover　the　truth；　but　mocks　us　to　a　degree；　and　has　gone　out　of



its　way　to　prove　the　inutility　of　that　which　we　admitted　only　by　a　sort　of



supposition　and　fiction　to　be　the　true　definition　of　temperance　or　wisdom：　



which　result；　as　far　as　I　am　concerned；　is　not　so　much　to　be　lamented；　I



said。　　But　for　your　sake；　Charmides；　I　am　very　sorrythat　you；　having　such



beauty　and　such　wisdom　and　temperance　of　soul；　should　have　no　profit　or



good　in　life　from　your　wisdom　and　temperance。　　And　still　more　am　I　grieved



about　the　charm　which　I　learned　with　so　much　pain；　and　to　so　little　profit；



from　the　Thracian；　for　the　sake　of　a　thing　which　is　nothing　worth。　　I　think



indeed　that　there　is　a　mistake；　and　that　I　must　be　a　bad　enquirer；　for



wisdom　or　temperance　I　believe　to　be　really　a　great　good；　and　happy　are



you；　Charmides；　if　you　certainly　possess　it。　　Wherefore　examine　yourself；



and　see　whether　you　have　this　gift　and　can　do　without　the　charm；　for　if　you



can；　I　would　rather　advise　you　to　regard　me　simply　as　a　fool　who　is　never



able　to　reason　out　anything；　and　to　rest　assured　that　the　more　wise　and



temperate　you　are；　the　happier　you　will　be。







Charmides　said：　　I　am　sure　that　I　do　not　know；　Socrates；　whether　I　have　or



have　not　this　gift　of　wisdom　and　temperance；　for　how　can　I　know　whether　I



have　a　thing；　of　which　even　you　and　Critias　are；　as　you　say；　unable　to



discover　the　nature？（not　that　I　believe　you。）　　And　further；　I　am　sure；



Socrates；　that　I　do　need　the　charm；　and　as　far　as　I　am　concerned；　I　shall



be　willing　to　be　charmed　by　you　daily；　until　you　say　that　I　have　had



enough。







Very　good；　Charmides；　said　Critias；　if　you　do　this　I　shall　have　a　proof　of



your　temperance；　that　is；　if　you　allow　yourself　to　be　charmed　by　Socrates；



and　never　desert　him　at　all。







You　may　depend　on　my　following　and　not　deserting　him；　said　Charmides：　　if



you　who　are　my　guardian　command　me；　I　should　be　very　wrong　not　to　obey　you。







And　I　do　command　you；　he　said。







Then　I　will　do　as　you　say；　and　begin　this　very　day。







You　sirs；　I　said；　what　are　you　conspiring　about？







We　are　not　conspiring；　said　Charmides；　we　have　conspired　already。







And　are　you　about　to　use　violence；　without　even　going　through　the　forms　of



justice？







Yes；　I　shall　use　violence；　he　replied；　since　he　orders　me；　and　therefore



you　had　better　consider　well。







But　the　time　for　consideration　has　passed；　I　said；　when　violence　is



employed；　and　you；　when　you　are　determined　on　anything；　and　in　the　mood　of



violence；　are　irresistible。







Do　not　you　resist　me　then；　he　said。







I　will　not　resist　you；　I　replied。























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