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be a free State�拭 �It is important to inquire by what reason you found

it so。  Let us take an illustration between the States of Ohio and

Kentucky。  Kentucky is separated by this River Ohio�察�not a mile wide。

A portion of Kentucky�察�by reason of the course of the Ohio�察�is

farther north than this portion of Ohio�察�in which we now stand。

Kentucky is entirely covered with slavery�察�Ohio is entirely free from

it�此�What made that difference�拭 �Was it climate�拭 �No。  A portion of

Kentucky was farther north than this portion of Ohio。  Was it soil��

No。  There is nothing in the soil of the one more favorable to slave

than the other。 It was not climate or soil that mused one side of the

line to be entirely covered with slavery�察�and the other side free of

it。  What was it�拭 �Study over it。  Tell us�察�if you can�察�in all the

range of conjecture�察�if there be anything you can conceive of that

made that difference�察�other than that there was no law of any sort

keeping it out of Kentucky�察�while the Ordinance of '87 kept it out of

Ohio。  If there is any other reason than this�察�I confess that it is

wholly beyond my power to conceive of it。  This�察�then�察�I offer to

combat the idea that that Ordinance has never made any State free。



I don't stop at this illustration。 I come to the State of Indiana��

and what I have said as between Kentucky and Ohio�察�I repeat as

between Indiana and Kentucky�此�it is equally applicable。 One

additional argument is applicable also to Indiana。  In her

Territorial condition she more than once petitioned Congress to

abrogate the Ordinance entirely�察�or at least so far as to suspend its

operation for a�察�time�察�in order that they should exercise the

;popular sovereignty; of having slaves if they wanted them。 The men

then controlling the General Government�察�imitating the men of the

Revolution�察�refused Indiana that privilege。  And so we have the

evidence that Indiana supposed she could have slaves�察�if it were not

for that Ordinance�察�that she besought Congress to put that barrier

out of the way�察�that Congress refused to do so�察�and it all ended at

last in Indiana being a free State。  Tell me not then that the

Ordinance of '87 had nothing to do with making Indiana a free State��

when we find some men chafing against�察�and only restrained by�察�that

barrier。



Come down again to our State of Illinois。  The great Northwest

Territory�察�including Ohio�察�Indiana�察�Illinois�察�Michigan�察�and

Wisconsin�察�was acquired first�察�I believe�察�by the British Government��

in part at least�察�from the French。  Before the establishment of our

independence it became a part of Virginia�察�enabling Virginia

afterward to transfer it to the General Government。  There were

French settlements in what is now Illinois�察�and at the same time

there were French settlements in what is now Missouri�察�in the tract

of country that was not purchased till about 1803。  In these French

settlements negro slavery had existed for many years�察�perhaps more

than a hundred�察�if not as much as two hundred years��at Kaskaskia��

in Illinois�察�and at St。 Genevieve�察�or Cape Girardeau�察�perhaps�察�in

Missouri。  The number of slaves was not very great�察�but there was

about the same number in each place。  They were there when we

acquired the Territory。  There was no effort made to break up the

relation of master and slave�察�and even the Ordinance of 1787 was not

so enforced as to destroy that slavery in Illinois�察�nor did the

Ordinance apply to Missouri at all。



What I want to ask your attention to�察�at this point�察�is that Illinois

and Missouri came into the Union about the same time�察�Illinois in the

latter part of 1818�察�and Missouri�察�after a struggle�察�I believe

sometime in 1820。  They had been filling up with American people

about the same period of time�察�their progress enabling them to come

into the Union about the same time。  At the end of that ten years�察�in

which they had been so preparing ��for it was about that period of

time���察�the number of slaves in Illinois had actually decreased�察�while

in Missouri�察�beginning with very few�察�at the end of that ten years

there were about ten thousand。  This being so�察�and it being

remembered that Missouri and Illinois are�察�to a certain extent�察�in

the same parallel of latitude�察�that the northern half of Missouri and

the southern half of Illinois are in the same parallel of latitude��

so that climate would have the same effect upon one as upon the

other�察�and that in the soil there is no material difference so far as

bears upon the question of slavery being settled upon one or the

other��there being none of those natural causes to produce a

difference in filling them�察�and yet there being a broad difference to

their filling up�察�we are led again to inquire what was the cause of

that difference。



It is most natural to say that in Missouri there was no law to keep

that country from filling up with slaves�察�while in Illinois there was

the Ordinance of The Ordinance being there�察�slavery decreased during

that ten years�察�the Ordinance not being in the other�察�it increased

from a few to ten thousand。 Can anybody doubt the reason of the

difference��



I think all these facts most abundantly prove that my friend Judge

Douglas's proposition�察�that the Ordinance of '87�察�or the national

restriction of slavery�察�never had a tendency to make a free State�察�is

a fallacy��a proposition without the shadow or substance of truth

about it。



Douglas sometimes says that all the States ��and it is part of this

same proposition I have been discussing�� that have become free have

become so upon his ;great principle;�察�that the State of Illinois

itself came into the Union as a slave State�察�and that the people��

upon the ;great principle; of popular sovereignty�察�have since made it

a free State。  Allow me but a little while to state to you what facts

there are to justify him in saying that Illinois came into the Union

as a slave State。



I have mentioned to you that there were a few old French slaves

there。  They numbered�察�I think�察�one or two hundred。  Besides that��

there had been a Territorial law for indenturing black persons。

Under that law�察�in violation of the Ordinance of '87�察�but without any

enforcement of the Ordinance to overthrow the system�察�there had been

a small number of slaves introduced as indentured persons。  Owing to

this�察�the clause for the prohibition of slavery was slightly

modified。  Instead of running like yours�察�that neither slavery nor

involuntary servitude�察�except for crime�察�of which the party shall

have been duly convicted�察�should exist in the State�察�they said that

neither slavery nor involuntary servitude should thereafter be

introduced�察�and that the children of indentured servants should be

born free�察�and nothing was said about the few old French slaves。  Out

of this fact�察�that the clause for prohibiting slavery was modified

because of the actual presence of it�察�Douglas asserts again and again

that Illinois came into the Union as a slave State。  How far the

facts sustain the conclusion that he draws�察�it is for intelligent and

impartial men to decide。  I leave it with you�察�with these remarks��

worthy of being remembered�察�that that little thing�察�those few

indentured servants being there�察�was of itself sufficient to modify a

constitution made by a people ardently desiring to have a free

constitution�察�showing the power of the actual presence of the

institution of slavery to prevent any people�察�however anxious to make

a free State�察�from making it perfectly so。



I have been detaining you longer�察�perhaps�察�than I ought to do。



I am in some doubt whether to introduce another topic upon which I

could talk a while。 ��Cries of ;Go on�察─�and ;Give us it。;�А�It is this��

then�此�Douglas's  Popular sovereignty�察�as a principle�察�is simply this��

If one man chooses to make a slave of another man�察�neither that man

nor anybody else has a right to object。  Apply it to government�察�as

he seeks to apply it�察�and it is this�此�If�察�in a new Territory into

which a few people are beginning to enter for the purpose of making

their homes�察�they choose to either exclude slavery from their limits��

or to establish it there�察�however one or the other may affect the

persons to be enslaved�察�or the infinitely greater number of persons

who are afterward to inhabit that Territory�察�or the other members of

the family of communities of which they are but an incipient member��

or the general head of the family of States as parent of all�察�however

their action may affect one or the other of these�察�there is no power

or right to interfere。  That is Douglas's popular sovereignty

applied。  Now�察�I think that there is a real popular sovereignty in

the world。  I think the definition of popular sovereignty�察�in the

abstract�察�would be about this�此�that each man shall do precisely as he

pleases with himself�察�and with all those things which exclusively

concern him。  Applied in government�察�this principle would be that a

general government shall do all those things which pertain to it�察�and

all the local governments shall do precisely as they please in

respect to those matters which exclusively concern them。



Douglas looks upon slavery as so insignificant that the people must

decide that question for themselves�察�and yet they are not fit to

decide who shall be their governor�察�judge�察�or secretary�察�or who shall

be any of their officers。  These are vast national matters in his

estimation�察�but the little matter in his estimation is that of

planting slavery there。  That is purely of local interest�察�which

nobody should be allowed to say a word about。



Labor is the great source from which nearly all�察�if not all�察�human

comforts and necessities are drawn。 There is a difference in opinion

about the elements of labor in society。  Some men assume that there

is necessary connection between capital and labor�察�and that

connection draws within it the whole of the labor of the community。

They assume that nobody works unless capital excites them to work。

They begin next to consider what is the best way。  They say there are

but two ways�此�one is to hire men�察�and to allure them to labor by

their consent�察�the other is to buy the men�察�and drive them�察�to it��

and that is slavery。  Having assumed that�察�they proceed to discuss

the question of whether the laborers themselves are better off in the

condition of slaves or of hired laborers�察�and they usually decide

that they are better off in the condition of slaves。



In the first place�察�I say that the whole thing is a mistake。  That

there is a certain relation between capital and labor�察�I admit。  That

it does exist�察�and rightfully exists�察�I think is true。  That men who

are industrious�察�and sober�察�and honest in the pursuit of their own

interests should after a while accumulate capital�察�and after that

should be allowed to enjoy it in peace�察�and also�察�if they should

choose�察�when they have accumulated it�察�to use it to save themselves

from actual labor�察�and hi

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